Godox Witstro barebulb flashguns hands-on preview

Shenzhen-based lighting manufacturer Godox just announced a pair of new bare-bulb battery flashguns called the Witstro AD180 and AD360 and have been kind enough to give us a sample kit to play with. We will be giving the system the full review treatment over the next few weeks, but for now here is a quick taster with our first impressions. In the meantime, if you have any specific questions you’d like to see answered in the final article, be sure to let us know in the comments section.

Unlike the ubiquitous SB-900 and 580EX II clones flooding the flashgun marketplace recently, the Godox Witstro has not just been cooked up in somebody else’s mould. Being a bare-bulb flash, rather than the more common sealed fresnel lens design, the product people would immediately try to compare it with would be Quantum Instruments‘ Qflash series, but the two really only bear a passing resemblance.

There are two models in the Godox line-up: the AD180 with a “true Watt-seconds” rating of 153.4 Ws (J) and the AD360 with double that. For comparison, the Quantum QFT5d-R is billed as a flash with 150J of “bounce power” and a source tells us its “true” rating is 137J but we have not independently verified this. In any case, on paper they’re broadly similar and we expect reflectors and accessories to be more influential on differences in light output.

At the Godox factory, during our meeting with company boss Eugene Zeng, I had a quick play with a prototype of the higher-powered AD360. The one pictured below has a slightly different plastic finish to the final production version, but otherwise it is the same. Believe me: it is hefty! My hands are quite small but, even so, it is still noticeable how seriously meaty the AD360 is for something that has an unassuming hotshoe mount on the bottom.

At first you might think it is a no-brainer to get the more powerful Witstro unit, but it is important to consider the extra weight and think carefully about whether you would want to have this sitting on top of your camera. Don’t forget that there are no batteries inside the Witstro and you still have to plug it into an external battery pack.

Godox Witstro AD360

The picture above shows the AD360 sans flash tube. The small “Push” button above my thumb will unlock the flash head so that you can adjust its orientation, from pointing 90° upwards to straight-on, plus -15° downwards. At the same time it can swivel 180° to the left and 135° to the right. The locking wheel in front of that is to tighten around accessories when they are attached. On the opposite side of the head (see below) a tapped 1/4″ screw socket is where you fit the specially designed Godox umbrella mount that comes in the box — so no umbrella bracket is needed and you can be sure the Witstro will be pointing right into the middle of your brolly.

Godox Witstro AD360

What’s the point in having a bare flash tube, anyway? Why not just get a normal Nikon or Canon speedlight? The main advantage of flashes like the Witstro is the range of different accessories you can fit to it. At the same time as launching the flashguns, we will see Godox bring out two different reflectors (a standard one, which can fit a grid or diffuser, and one for umbrellas), two snoots (a straight one and a conical one) with honeycomb grids, a large beauty dish (plus honeycomb grid) and a collapsible softbox-cum-beauty dish (with a fabric grid) and the aforementioned umbrella mount.

Godox Witstro softbox with grid

Here is what the folding softbox looks like when attached to the Witstro. Mounting it is extremely painless compared to the fiddly brackets, dodgy mounts, elastic or Velcro you need for most large speedlight accessories. Just slot it in and tighten the knob and it’s on. The softbox opens up like an umbrella and the fabric diffusion panel is held on by Velcro.

But if you want a more fashion/beauty kind of lighting effect, then Godox reckons this modifier can hold its own as a beauty dish too. Whip off the diffuser and screw in a little deflector panel et voilà: a makeshift silver beauty dish that can fold up for transport and storage. If you are a bit more finicky about the smoothness of your dishes then there will be a “proper” metal beauty dish too, though that does not fold up so think about what feature matters most to your style of photography.

Godox Witstro softbox, beauty dish mode

While you can sit the Godox Witstro on top of your camera, the possibilities for creativity really open up when you take it off the hotshoe. But it needn’t cost you time walking back and forth to adjust the settings. The Godox FT-16 (below) is a 433MHz wireless transmitter with which you can adjust flash power on the fly. What’s more, you can control several different flashes at once with it, including nearly all of Godox’s new big mains-powered studio lights.

Godox FT-16 wireless transmitter

Usage is pretty straightforward: pick a frequency channel using the Dip switches, then turn the dial to the group you want to adjust, and change the settings using the buttons and small LCD. When taking photographs or pressing the Test button, the group does not matter because the FT-16 will trigger all the flashes on the same channel, regardless of their groups. You can choose whether power is displayed as relative fractions (1/1, 1/2, 1/4 etc.) or as European-style absolute values (8.0, 7.0, 6.0 etc.).

The receiver unit is surprisingly neat, with no batteries required and a standard full-sized USB connector that folds away when not attached to anything. As far as we can see, none of Godox’s lights have the receiver capabilities built-in so you need to plug one of these little dongles into every light — including the Witstro series.

Godox QS-400 with FT-16 wireless receiver

Below is our copy of the Witstro AD180. The front is less bulbous than the AD360, with the little red windows laid out differently. What is behind them? Despite the symmetry, the autofocus-assist lamp lives behind one window and the slave sensor behind the other. To activate the lamp you need to press the MF* button on the flash control panel, or the Lamp button on your wireless transmitter. It is not automatic, like on a TTL speedlight, but you can switch it on whenever you like and it does not switch off again for some time until you tell it to do so, letting you take your time to focus and compose your photograph.

The battery pack, the Godox PB960, is just like the Propac PB820 we have reviewed before, but it has two sockets instead of one, more secure connections and the battery cartridge has a quick release so you can switch in a fresh one without unplugging your lights. It also means you can pick a larger capacity (taller) or smaller capacity (shorter) battery to suit your needs without changing the pack’s footprint.

Godox Witstro AD180 with PB960 battery pack

There is no Godox branding on our AD180, because this one is destined for the US market under a different name. So yes, this product will be coming to America and the proposed retail price, which we were told in confidence, sounds very reasonable indeed. For now we cannot tell you who will sell it, but hopefully details of pricing and availability will be publicly released soon. We are less certain of details for UK distribution, so you might not want to hold your breath on that front.

So far, impressions are good. Everything is very solid feeling, seemingly well-designed and intuitive to use. Stick around for the full review where we’ll see how the Witstro holds up in practice. Is this the location light you have been waiting for, or do speedlights do the job for you? Share your opinion in the comments and let us know what you’d like to see covered in the full review.

  • JerryPH

    Definitely waiting on the full reviews of this. It very well could be the event light that I would love to own. Remote manual power control looks awesome and if they are as powerful as they say (a true 360 W/s), you would have more than just me as a customer!

  • Geo

    I liked the functionality.

  • Andy

    I’ve been looking at the Jinbei Freelander recently as a compact and mobile step up from hot shoe flashes. If this little flash is reliable and lives up to the specs I’d be very interested in it. Godox actually seem to have put thought into their product line with the modifiers, cross compatible battery pack and a trigger that works across their larger strobes.

    It’s fortunate that David’s “in the field” now to give a decent write up rather than the random google translates that usually come out.

  • the flasher

    If they make a ttl version i would be interested… As it stands it requires another Tx and Rx module… I don’t want to buy any more of these things. If it were ttl capable or least had the ability to recognise the canon wireless protocol I could use my ccamera to adjust the manual power levels on this flash.

    • http://www.lightingrumours.com/ David A. Selby

      Perhaps you would be more interested in a Quantum Qflash then?

      • the flasher

        Ahhhhhh…the price of the Quantum’s puts me off a bit…. :) hopefully the price of the godox units will be very keen!

        • http://twitter.com/adamgasson Adam Gasson

          I agree that they are expensive but that’s why the Quantum’s cost more – the features (which has cost them to implement in the first place).

          • the flasher

            in every business there are R&D costs…. however once you make a product you can charge a lot of money for it and sell a few, or you can charge a little and sell lots.

            Quantum have gone down the first route, which is their choice and rightly so as up till now they have had no competition in this product range, until now….. the Chinese manufacturers are replicating the canon and nikon etc flash protocols, you can buy TTL flashes for less that $100, you can buy TTL flash triggers for $40 a piece… its just plastic and circuit boards and solder.

            Godox have shown their hand and they have chosen their route but i doesn’t quite fit with what I’m looking for. I’m just hoping that one day there will be a TTL enabled product like this.

  • ShootingStarsMaui

    I have no problem with the “manual” aspects (vs ttl) & if the price is “reasonable” then this may help a lot of outdoor location shooters. I’m ready to order!

  • the flasher

    One more thing….what type of plug does it have to connect to the external battery pack? If it is canon or nikon type then i guess you could plug any external battery pack?

    • http://www.lightingrumours.com/ David A. Selby

      The connector looks like a Canon CP-E4 type.

  • lukeap69

    Looks interesting. Something to replace my flimsy 120J. The optional triggers which you can control from the transmitter seems very good as well. This will save a lot of time for adjusting the flash power. Hope the price is reasonable.

    • Jerry

      I still have 120 J’s too. Yes they may not be as we’ll built as say Lumedynes, but they packed 100-150 watts and could easily be adapted to fit on camera flash brackets and light stands. They had amazing battery packs, they could also run on double AA batteries or be adapted to Lumedyne or other third party cyclers. They are great as bare bulb lights or with silver reflectors or with bounce type modifiers. And it is easy to controls their power manually. Still an old standby as far as I’m concerned.

  • Stuart Fawcett

    With now only two working speedlites, i need to decide on some new system to build up from – looking forward to keen pricing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dbirling Doug Birling

    I wonder if adding TTL down the road is possible via the USB dongle? Since that receives the signal to fire the flash and control the amount of power. If there was a preflash wouldn’t modern cameras be able to than decide how much flash is needed and then send that on the follow up flash? Was this a planned path if its even possible?

  • Wally in Austin

    The interesting think is you have a complete system that manualy controls flash and the line of monobloc’s Granted its manual control. This kind of system looks interesting and if its price point is low can impact the market.

  • mooboy

    Just had a YN flash melt on me and while looking for a replacement I saw the 180 model on ebay: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Newest-GODOX-Pro-Powerful-Portable-Flash-Light-AD-180-LCD-Control-Panel-/321043779273?pt=Digital_Camera_Flashes&hash=item4abfb34ec9

    A bit pricier than the Jinbei MF-100 ($420 versus $340). I’m still interested to know if these use the same lumedyne mount as the Jinbei or not.

  • mooboy

    I really think Godox is just not trying to target western market at all. As far as I can tell, there’s only 1 ebayer selling these, and they’re at $600 with a battery (orange, no choice of colour) and absolutely no warranty other than DOA maybe.

    Compare this to Yongnuo, you can buy direct from them with a 1 year warranty (I think still the case) or places like the Photo Gadget.

    Meanwhile, can get the Jinbei MF-100 from the Photo Gadget also with a 1 year warranty. As for the Godox, although can get it, there is no where I can see to get the triggers for it. And, even from their alibaba site, can’t see anywhere you can get the umbrella attachment.

    Will wait and see which US company rebrands it (Guessing B&H as a Bolt) – and what the end price is. But so far, really disappointed with the distribution channels for this.

    I was also considering the Godox TT660 as I do like the idea of the side mounted umbrella attachment… but it’s going to be annoying to have to make my own if you just can’t get them anywhere.

  • Richard

    Anyone measured if the output is truely 180/360 ws ?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1585622846 Peter Blake

    it does have one or two good points. low power settings way beyond 120J, and that claimed remote power control. tx unit looks giant! the modifiers though, could be the best part. they look like they might be compatible with existing barebulb heads

  • http://www.facebook.com/jc.bluesman Jesse Chong

    How can the Godox FT-16 receiver work with the other speedlights?

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