Jinbei Discovery DC-600 review

Foreword: The gear reviewed here was paid for with our own money FWIW.

There have been for some time now different approaches on how a  location strobe should be – from Norman’s compact pack and heads to the big, heavy duty, industry-standard Profoto 7b, and several choices in between for most needs and budgets. However, some options lacked the flexibility in terms of features that some shooters needed: be it size, maximum output, power range, price, etc.

Along came the Elinchrom Ranger Quadra, which offered a compact 400Ws pack and head system that many people instantly loved for its size, weight and features. So many lighting manufacturers ventured on releasing their own version of a Quadra-like pack (including the Walimex PBS-400, which we reviewed a couple of months ago).

Although not known to many, Jinbei (China’s biggest lighting manufacturer) has have been making battery-powered location strobes (and studio gear too) for quite some time, mostly for European and Asian markets. There have been previous versions of this pack and head, and you can see improvements in size and technology inside them with each iteration.

Timeline of Jinbei battery pack-and-heads

Fast-forward to today and we have the Jinbei Discovery DC-600, offering 600Ws of output power distributable in one or two heads (symmetric and asymmetric), a lithium-ion battery (which in theory is less problematic than Ni-Mh or NiCad batteries in the long run) and some other nifty things. There is also a 1200Ws version of the Discovery (unfortunately not being reviewed in this article).

Jinbei Discovery DC-600 specifications

  • Power output: 600Ws
  • Number of heads: 2
  • Power output distribution: Symmetrical: 300 and 300 Watt seconds
  • Asymmetrical: 400 and 200 Watt seconds
  • 1 head in socket A: 400Ws, if you press A+B button 600Ws
  • 1 head in socket B: 200Ws
  • Power output range: 1/1 to 1/16 (in all configurations described above).
  • Protection: Auto-diagnosis for overheating, battery malfunction and capacitor failure (with their own respective error code).
  • Mount: Bowens AKA S-type bayonet
  • Modeling light: LED (on, off, programable time for it to stay on)
  • Battery: interchangeable lithium Battery
  • Charger: 110-220V AC (50/60Hz) charger

In the case:

Yup, I said case because you receive a kinda stylish metallic case with the Discovery 600. Of course, it’s no Pelican case that you can throw around and jump on, but isn’t bad at all considering the case and contents survived the long trip from China to Spain (although knowing how rough luggage is treated at airports, I would probably go with a Pelicase just in case).

Inside you’ll find*:

  • 1 discovery standard head
  • 1 discovery DC600 pack,
  • 1 Discover Standard head
  • 1 flash bracket
  • 1 handle and cable for the head
  • 1 transmitter and receiver
  • 1 sync cable
  • 1 a 100-240V 50/60Hz charger (meaning if you are traveling to other countries you can charge it almost everywhere as long as you have the right adaptor for the standard plug of the country you visit).

*Kits configurations may change and you may find stores selling a 2-head kit or a ringflash (not reviewed here) and 1 head kit.

Kudos to Jinbei for adding a radio trigger with the kit since it let’s you play with your DC600 immediately even if you don’t already own a set of radio triggers or if your camera can’t use a PC sync cable. However there is another reason for this: as weird as it sounds the DC600 doesn’t has an optical slave cell. I am really confused at why would anyone would leave an optical slave cell out of the design of lighting gear… Even more when cheapie cheap monolights this days even come with  pre-flash override functions for them to be dumb-synchronized with wireless TTL or override the red eye features of some flash systems, but at least Jinbei provided another option to trigger your gear and included in the case (and of course the price, I will cover the performance of the radio triggers later).

The pack:

I have worked with different studio and location packs in the past first as a student with a Speedotron Brownline 400Ws pack (heavy as an aircraft carrier!) and as an assistant with a Profoto 7b pack and a D4 2400ws pack. I have also played a little with a Elinchrom Ranger (non AS Speed), and they all have something in common: they are likely to survive their owners thanks to their build quality. These things are made like the proverbial tank (specially the Speedotron which I tend to think -and imagine will resist a nuclear explosion!) so I know how well built quality lighting gear feels.

To my surprise the DC-600 is really, really well built, solid and you get a lot of confidence out of how rugged it is. I am not talking about “so-so”, “regular”, “OK” or “good enough” – I am talking about really solid, which impresses me since for the price point you don’t expect to receive something of this quality.

From the top:

It has a handle to transport it that can be stored on top of the pack to operate the pack without the handle being a hindrance, here we can see the different buttons and knob to control your DC600: You have “Fast” button meaning it will turn on or off the speed up recycle time feature, the next button is “Lamp” which activates the LED modeling light, you ca set it to just light when you have it pressed or if you push it twice it will stay on until the configured time for it ends, “Set” is to configure how much time the modeling light will stay on: it can be configured to stay on from 05 seconds to 99 secons (use the “lamp” and “fast” buttons to increase or decrease the time), the “A+B” is to set power symmetrically (300ws in each head or asymmetrically 400ws in socket And 200ws in socket B) the test button to fire a flash pop. the next thing you will find is the sync port (3.5mm mono jack) and later you will find the stepless knob used to regulate the output power of the flash, being 5.0 the maximum power and 1.0 the minimum.

Above the Lamp button there are 2 lights one to tell you the unit has gone into sleep mode and the other tells you when it is working with the pre programmed time for the modeling light, next to them is the screen where you can see how much output power you have given to the unit and to see the countdown for the pre-programmed time for the modeling light.

In the center of the panel above you can find the battery power level indicator it shows you the state in 3 levels. and above them is the handle to carry it which tucks into the body of the pack. at the sides it has the holes so you can attach the included strap to carry it with your shoulder instead of your hands.

When you turn the pack on it will auto diagnose itself to check if the temperature of the battery is right, if the capacitors are working and if there is enough battery power, if one of these 3 factors has a problem it will display a coded message E1, E2 or E3 on the display which are explained in the user manual.

To the sides of the pack you will find 2 buttons which say “Press” those are the buttons to release the battery from the pack.  The battery has a entry plug for the charger (which is worldwide friendly 110/240v 50/60hz). One word of caution is that you should never use the pack when the battery is charging, it isn’t designed to be used like that at all (get a spare battery).

One thing that I liked is that the sockets for the heads (in both the heads and the pack) have their protective caps and their own lanyards to hold them with the pack, this isn’t found in other options in the same price rangeand seeing them here it is nice.

Some may complaint about the DC600 didn’t include a radio trigger inside but I am actually cool with that because:

  1.  I like the freedom of choosing the radio trigger I want to use.
  2. Jinbei’s radio triggers aren’t as popular as PocketWizard, Elinchrom Skyport, Yongnuo, Cactus, etc.
  3. If it used something like PW it would mean the price would go up because of the price of licensing their technology to be used by Jinbei packs.

The Battery:

The battery (like the pack) it is extremely well built. At the bottom it has a rubber gasket. You can buy spare batteries online.

There is one nit-pick for me and it is an important one: the cables of the battery charger are kind of thin (the one that connects the battery to the charger), being that this gear is going to be lugged around and it will meet the rugged life of a location shooter then I would like to see a more rugged cable for the battery charger in the future. You should be careful with your gear but accidents do happen and that is why one expects this kind of stuff to be more rugged. I am buying an extra charger to have it in the bag if the first one goes kaput and I recommend you to do so too. Hopefully they will change the design of this part soon.

The head:

The new Standard head is a whole lot more compact than the older RD head. Like its predecessor it uses the popular and readily available S-type bayonet (AKA Bowens) for modifiers; the shell of the head is made of good plastic and the swivel mount made of metal, good quality all around. The head comes with a protective cap for the flash tube. Now, the nifty thing is, this head sports an LED modeling light.

There are equivalences to how much light it provides with a similar tungsten modeling light, but since it can easily confuse some people, I flipped out my trusty light meter and took meter readings of the modeling light. As said before you can preset on the pack how much time the modeling light stays on (from 5 seconds to 99 seconds). The longer you have it on the faster it will deplete the battery though (as with every battery powered flash).

The head comes with a reflector and a diffuser for it. The reflector has a lip to hold grids although since it is smaller than the common 18 centimeters then it isn’t going to be easy to find many grids for it. If you need grids you may want to think to buy a more common diameter reflector (S-type bayonet, aka Bowens) to use grids with this head.

You can detach the cable that connects the head to the pack which is a great feature to avoid damaging the cables because of how it bends attached to your pack, to protect the connector on the head there is a cap that is being held by a lanyard.

The heads comes with a nifty ergonomically shaped handle that can be removed if you like to, the idea of this handle is to be used by your voiced activated stands or with the included bracket to remember the old good days of the Graflex Century Graphic camera (google it for a good chuckle), in theory you have gained the ability to shoot events with a powerful flash to bounce around on ceilings.

One consideration (and a let down for me) is that the head isn’t designed to hold big and heavy modifiers (much like the Elinchrom Quadra adapter), so no big octabox or softbox is recommended to be used : (… this is a huge con since the Jinbei RD standard head was capable of holding big modifiers…

Note to manufacturers: some of us prefer a bigger flash heads that can hold heavy modifiers than tiny heads that can’t, at least give us the option of buying a heavier duty head along with the compact one, thank you. :)

However we got word from Jinbei they are going to launch a new line of lightweight plastic speedrings and less heavier softboxes and octas.

There is also an optional Ringflash for it too (and I know many of you people love ringflashes) which is a nice expansion to this kit.

So let’s do some meter readings:

Sekonic L308s, ISO 100, 1/250th, 1 meter of distance, Jinbei DC standard head barebulb

(note: add one stop to the meter readings if you want to know the power output of the DC standard head with its own umbrella reflector).

A socket only:

1.0 f/5.63

2.0 f/8.04

3.0 f/11.4

4.0 f/16.7

5.0 f/22.6

A socket (with “A+B” button activated)

1.0 f/5.6

2.0 f/11.1 (being 1.5 f/8.03 and yes, it is weird)

3.0 f/16.0

4.0 f/22.1

5.0 f/32.2

B socket

1. 0 f/4.0

2.0 f/5.63

3.0 f/8.04

4.0 f/11.6

5.0 f/16.5

(note: add one stop to the meter readings if you want to know the power output with the DC standard head with its own umbrella reflector).

The metering were consistent through the range, I tested firing 7 pops per power level and sometimes (rarely) it would go over or under 1/10th of a stop, for the prince range the consistency is excellent, no probs here. Activating the “Fast” button (fast recycling) didn’t affected the consistency at all.

Something to consider is that in the B socket at the lowest power setting the white balance starts at around 4700k but without colour casts (no purple, magenta or blue casts, color is neutral).

On the field:

I carried the Jinbei to all my jobs since I received it and to tell you the truth I didn’t had a single problem with it in all this time in terms of performance, it behaved well and did its job like it should, the only thing to report is that the LCD panel on top showing the power output isn’t readable in the sun unless you shade it, it could be that the background for the display isn’t black enough for the numbers to not be washed with the light but it is a thing to keep in mind when shooting with it in the sun, it isn’t a problem on an overcast day or in the studio though.

Here are some samples, The DC-600 could do easily f/18 or a bit more with an 1.5 meters -5 footer- octa (threaded to the stand read because of the weight limit of the discovery head) however it also was able to work at wider apertures too, this examples are from an overcast day, with studio flash it can be hard if your gear isn’t flexible in the output power department to match the ambient or if you want to do wide aperture photos with the DC600 I could drop down the power to f/2.8-4.0 without a problem :)

Conclusions

Jinbei has been producing portable lighting gear for quite some time and to see the final iteration of their battery pack and head system and being able to use it and test it is great, we are not here in front of a product made by a company founded yesterday,  and who lacks knowledge in manufacturing a good product we are in front of something manufactured by a company who has a story and a track record too.

For the money you pay you are receiving an incredibly rugged pack and battery with features that are really impresive for the price point and even puts to shame some of the competition in the higher price ranges, the new standard head is really well built, compact and the addition of LED modeling light should be great for extending the battery life when using it compared to tungsten modeling lights. The included case is elegant and rugged (and it is a welcome option for those without something to store and carry their gear).

The lack of an optical slave still confuses me because I can’t see why it has been left out of the design board (at least Jinbei included a radio trigger though), but I am really disappointed to see the older RD standard head was able to withstand all kinds of modifiers and this new one isn’t capable of doing the same thing, some may argue that the idea of a compact location flash system  is to stay small without big modifiers, but having the precedent of the RD head then the point of not being able to hold heavy modifiers is stronger IMHO, for them to do the same mistake as Elinchrom did with the Quadra adapter (which is to use stronger and metal problem solved in the case of the Quadra adapter)  is really a let down, maybe Jinbei can offer in the future the guts of the new standard DC head inside the older RD head  for those of us who want to use heavy modifiers with our Discovery 600 or 1200? time will tell.

But these are minor things because you are receiving quite a bundle which doesn’t represent its price tag at all, you are receiving a solid pack and head system featuring an excellent consistency in exposure and colour.

Exposure consistency is surprisingly great for the price range, it is a peace of mind not having wild variations and having to deal with them in photoshop later, there is one thing that quites intrigues me though: when there’s only a head in socket A and when you push the A+B button (meaning all 600 ws of power will go to that head) the jump from output power setting 1.0 to 2.0 is 2 stops, in the rest of the power settings each jump (3.0 to 4.0 and 4.0 to 5.0) is a stop only, so it is weird, but if you dial 1.5 you get the missing stop, this doesn’t happens when you aren’t using A+B button or with the head in socket B though.

Something to keep in mind is that when the head is in the B socket the colour temperature (at the minimum power output) starts at around 4700K and progressively ramps up to sunlight territory if you go up in power output, but there are no color casts (purple, pink or blue) present.

Remember this pack shouldn’t be put to work while it is charging the battery.

And the case is really neat :) , silver bling, bling for your photo gear.

What I like:

  • Rugged and excellent build quality and construction of pack and battery
  • Lithium battery (instead of NiMh)
  • Nice set of features (although it is missing an optical slave)
  • Auto diagnosis to let you know if something is wrong with specific coded messages to let you know if something is wrong
  • Radio trigger and receiver included (because there is no optical slave)
  • Nice output power range (400ws to 25ws in channel A, 600ws to 37.5ws in Channel A when using “A+B” and 200ws to 12.5ws in channel B)
  • Good build quality of the new standard head (sadly it cannot withstand heavy modifiers…)
  • LED modeling light (the WB isn’t daylight, it has the same WB as white fluorescent lamps).
  • The head uses the popular, cheap and ready available s-type bayonet (AKA Bowens)
  • The fact you can detach the cables from the head is a welcome feature to store them safely.
  • It includes caps held by lanyards in the pack and heads to protect the sockets
  • Worldwide travel friendly 110/240v 50/60hz charger (just remember to get the plug adapter for the country you are going)
  • Well made metal case to transport it (it survived the travel from China so it isn’t bad at all although I can’t provide a recommendation to use if you are flying)
  • Exposure consistency is great with only 1/10th of a stop variations that happen rarely.
  • Symmetric and Asymmetric power output distribution options.

What I didn’t like

  • New standard head can’t withstand heavy modifiers (the RD head did can hold heavy modifiers).
  • Thin cable to connect the battery to the charger is a no, no (I hope they change it soon).
  • Lack of optical slave (Murphy’s law is prone to attack photographers, having a 3rd option other than radio triggers and sync cables is always welcomed).
  • I cover a lot more in this review about the features of this kit than the user manual does (while it explains the basics in a good way it needs a bit more in depth explanations of some of the features).

I wouldn’t doubt to recommend the Jinbei DC600 to anyone, in fact I highly recommend it, just remember there’s a limit to the weight and size of modifiers you can use with it (no 1.5 meters/ 5 foot or bigger octaboxes/softboxes are recommended to be used with it) but if you need a huge soft light there’s always the 50″ Westcott Apollo, Parabolic umbrellas with diffusers and the 60″ Photek’s Softlighter II), and treat with some love the cable that connects the battery to the charger (I am getting a spare charger just in case).

Where to buy

For more technical information, please visit the Jinbei web site.

 

  • jijaymonz

    had it for months, yes i do recommend this product. However, been not using it for several weeks and I left the battery connected to the power pack. When i left it i had fully charged it. And now its back to distributor for repair because of E3 – a problem with main capacitor. Suspect because i did not separate battery from power pack. I would recommend to others to separate them after used, and only put them back for charging – only to be separated again afterward.

    • http://lluisgerard.com LluisGerard

      Thanks for your recommendation, I never detached the battery from first day (using it indoors mostly), got mine few weeks ago and I wouldn’t doubt to recommend it also. Is my first battery pack ever, so it’s a huge improvement for me, coming from Nikons SB-600s.

      I still don’t get the power dial. With speedlites I do my maths very well in my head (1/1, 1/2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64) but with this dial I’m not sure at first glance.

      • Eduardo Frances

        The power output shown in numbers is a rough equivalent of output power (used by other brands like Elinchrom, profoto digital gear, Bron, etc.)

        Each number matches a full stop (except the case where 1.5 is a stop between 1.0 and 2.0 power output mentioned in the review). :)

        I didn’t had that kind of problem with the battery but I will be sure to detach it in the future too.

        • http://www.krop.com/eugeni Eugeni

          Hi, Hola Eduardo,
          Intente escribirte via Facebook pero no pude conseguirlo. Queria preguntarte si es posible utilizar las cabezas de 600w con el generador de 1200w. Tu sabes si son compatibles ?.
          Un abrazo

          • Eduardo Frances

            Hasta donde yo sé no, así que consigue la cabeza de 1200ws para el generador de 1200ws.

            El problema es que en la distribución asimétrica de potencia en el socket A tendrás más de 600ws.

            Saludos!

            Edu :)

    • Eduardo Frances

      The user manual states that the battery could be damaged if it is drained too much (depleting it below 25% and using it). So whenever you get the light that indicates low battery (the last one in the row)it is advised to turn off the DC600 and put it to recharge, or to use another battery, could that be the problem?

  • Trail

    So why are the lencarta branded items so much more expensive (£300) than the Foto Konijnenberg then?

    • Eduardo Frances

      We (the LR staff) don’t know because we have only used the one from Jinbei, we haven’t used or tested the Lencarta version.

  • Garry Edwards

    The Lencarta Safari Li-on is based on the Jinbei Discovery but is more efficient and has better performance – that’s why the prices are different

  • brezeljo

    “Power output distribution: Symmetrical: 300 and 300 Watt seconds”
    Are you sure about this? It isn’t mentioned on Jinbei’s Homepage.
    For me it looks like:
    A+B not pressed is 400 + 200 Ws
    A+B pressed is 600 Ws on A
    Could you pleas clarify this point?
    Thanks for the review.

    • Eduardo Frances

      A+B not pressed is 400 + 200 Ws
      If you have:
      Only 1 head in Socket A without pressing A+B button: 400ws
      Only 1 head in Socket B without pressing A+B 200ws
      2 heads (one in Socket A and one in Socket B) Socket A will receive 400ws and Socket B will receive 200ws

      A+B pressed is 600 Ws on A
      When there is only one head in Socket A and A+B button is pressed you get 600ws.

  • maiqiuyiren

    Impressive, I suppose 6k mah lithium battery would ensure over 500 pictures, right?

    • Eduardo Frances

      I have shot with it at different power output settings ranging from full power blasts to medium and lower power settings without the need to change the battery in more than 4 hours of shooting (and shooting a lot) I have a spare battery just in case (they are fair priced) :) .

  • Garry Edwards

    David,

    You may want to delete the reference to Lencarta, as the statement that Lencarta sells the Discovery isn’t correct

  • Trail

    In what way, specifically and with hard evidence, is it ‘more efficient’ and ‘better performing’ that makes you think the UK market will accept a 50% price hike for what to the sane looks like a case of re-strickering.

  • altorono

    It looks like this strobe is slow comparing to other strobes: the recycle time of head A is 1.8s, head B is 2.8s, and A+B is 3.8s.

    There are also no data how fast you can shoot: can it withstand rapid shooting? I suspect that the battery would be overheated because it is Lithium, which has a high internal resistance. Is there any protection against overheating?

    • Eduardo Frances

      At the price point (€550-€590) in the battery driven pack and head systems there aren’t any other option that has the features you want, for the kind of performance you want you would have to jump to the Elinchrom Ranger RX AS Speed or higher end gear (like the Broncolor gear Chase Jarvis used for the Sandisk advertising or the Profoto 8-Air)which is designed with speed in mind but it comes at a price.

  • Ian Cheung

    I’m a bit confused, on the ebay listing you linked to, it says that the version they are selling is 220/240V and they won’t ship to countries with other voltages. Are there two versions of the Jinbei Discovery?

    • Eduardo Frances

      It could be the charger that is different, AFAIK Jinbei oesn’t ships gear to countries/regions where there isn’t a repair center to take care of the gear sold.

      Like with any purchase I would recommend buying only from local distributors (be it for gear made in the USA, Europe or Asia) because repairs and warranty issues are solved in a better way than buying from wholesale stores that will leave you hanging if you have a problem.

      • Ian Cheung

        I sent a message to the seller and it seems it is a worldwide version, so I guess the listing is just wrong.

        I would also like to purchase locally but I’m in Japan and most imported equipment usually doubles in price, if you can find it at all.

        So it seems my options are the ebay store you listed or a Singaporean store called Studio Outfitters. Unfortunately if I went with Studio Outfitters and something when wrong during the warranty period I would be paying shipping both ways which is about 50% of the original cost of the Discovery.

        • Eduardo Frances

          I stand by my recommendation though: Buying from outside your region could mean you won’t receive warranty and repairs support locally in your country or region, we the staff at LightingRumours.com can only recommend buying your gear at stores that are local to you in order to avoid problems in the future.

          The extra you will pay in the end means you have peace of mind in case something goes wrong with your gear.

          • Ian Cheung

            Unfortunately the Jinbei Discovery isn’t available locally here in Japan. And if it did become available it would be double the price (using things like the Godox Propac 820 as reference). So in some ways you could afford to buy 2 and use one as backup insurance.

            The only affordable portable lighting systems here would be used speedlights, that’s why I am interested in the Discovery.

      • Ian Cheung

        (the ebay seller has edited their listing to show worldwide voltage, and removed the requirement on shipping to countries with 220/240V)

  • mac

    Why the review not mention weight and flash recycle time?

    • Eduardo Frances

      It isn’t heavy (although that depends some people are more lazy than others though when it comes to weight) If memory doesn’t fails the pack with the battery weights around 4-5KG and the head is really light weight.

      By Jinbei’s material recycle times are:
      Socket A: fast 1.8 Slow 2.8
      Socket B: fast 2.8 Slow 3.8
      A+B fast 3.5 Slow 4.5

      • mac
        • Eduardo Frances

          Nop because that would mean the gear would weight 7,341 pounds. Most likely they ate a period (the decimal point) when writing the numbers ;)

        • Ian Cheung

          From the picture on the scale it shows 3330g not 3330kg

  • Trail

    Or any figures on the comparison of the all important flash duration? Lencarta states:

    http://www.lencarta.com/lighting-store/discovery-portable-flash-system/safari-li-on-portable-flash-system

    Lencarta appears to be making a virtue of the slow flash duration! %{ C 1/5000th of a sec slower than a quadra at its fastest.

    • Garry Edwards

      In the studio, flash duration doesn’t matter all that much in most situations, so having a short flash duration is a doubtful benefit for most people, most of the time.

      On location, short flash duration doesn’t help at all. What we all want to be able to achieve is a fast shutter speed, so that we can have greater control over the effect of the ambient light – but basically we’re limited to 1/200th or 1/250th with Canon or 1/320th with Nikon (depending on model) and that often isn’t enough – so we have to consider using the fast synch capabilities of PW, and that makes use of longer flash durations, and also relies on a relatively slow tail degradation – and the Safari Li-on definitely offers a massive advantage because of this.

      Simple physics :-)

      Incidentally, using the Safari CLASSIC model + ringflash, a synch speed of 1/8000th sec is possible with a Nikon D3, which rather proves my point…

      • http://www.MartinGrobar.cz grobe

        sync speed 1/8000sec? how? Safari offers a high speed sync with D3?

  • Adi

    Hello eduardo..thank you for this wonderful review..appreciate it so much..!!sorry to bother you in the flickr mail lol

    By the way, there has been reports saying that the specs from jinbei is not accurate..i have asked several owners of the discovery, and one of them said that the spec is wrong..especially for the weight and the recycling power..you can find more info in this website (scroll down to the comments below)

    http://www.hkphoto.com/blog/lencarta-jinbei-discovery-dc-600-portable-photography-flash-system#axzz1cp8FqG46

    He reported that he needed to send back the heads because of some defects in the first batch..

    Eduardo,which batch are you currently using?

    • Eduardo Frances

      None of the problems described in that thread happened to me in these months I have been using the DC-600 and I have been using it a lot, I have been able to use both heads (at various power settings) with the pack without them giving me any problem, mine is one of the first batch as said before I have been using it quite a lot from shooting on location to shoot also in client’s premises their products.

      Recycle times haven’t been an issue for me, they are in line with the specs given by the manufacturer.

      The weight must be the pack without the battery, keep in mind that 6kg isn’t heavy at all.

      Just to confirm it in few words: I have had no problem with the pack, be it using 2 heads at the same time, 1 head, different power settings, turning on and off modeling lights, etc. :)

  • http://www.hkphoto.com Ken Tam

    Thanks Eduardo Frances for visit my website and comment about Jinbei product ;)

    As my test the full power recycle time with FAST tuen on is less then 3sec. maybe just 2.7 – 2.9 sec.

    I agree Jinbei is a old manufacture in China, but they are very MESS with their QC and workflow…

    Here is another story just happened today.

    http://www.hkphoto.com/blog/life-is-hard-as-a-professional-photographer-in-china

    The way they doing business is make me MAD!!

    • Eduardo Frances

      Sorry to see you are having a bad time with them, to tell you the truth I haven’t experienced the problems you had with your DC600′s mine has been behaving like a champ all this time without problems, I re tested the modeling lights yesterday with 2 heads and they turned on and off without a hitch.

      I hope you get everything sorted out soon mate!
      Thanks for stopping by :) .

  • wideman55

    In regards to this comment by Ken Tam,

    “I agree Jinbei is a old manufacture in China, but they are very MESS with their QC and workflow…”

    Yes mistakes do happen and I’m sure they would correct it for you. They don’t manufacture the softboxes so something may have slipped through on a spec change. However I just returned from a trip to Shanghai to visit the factory and I can honestly say that their quality control and work flow process rival any company here in North America. Every single flash head they manufacture goes through no less then a full week of continual flash testing at every power level. Each strobe is logged every hour for performance or inconsistencies. It’s about 40 degrees in the testing room with hundreds of flash’s going off even with the cooling units. The factory is extremely clean and very well managed. Just In Time inventory systems are used, eliminating excess overhead, and enabling the engineering department to constantly develop new product. Some really great ideas look like they’ll be ready soon. From what I saw the workers are happy and treated well. A much different story then some of the other factories I’ve purchased from in China.

    I just find it a bit difficult to say “they are very MESS with their QC and workflow” You have every right to comment on your order that got messed up but don’t comment on QC and workflow if you’ve never even been in the factory.

    From my experience with the DC 600, it has been fantastic. I agree the charger could be a little more robust but it does serve it’s purpose. I also suggested in the next version to add replaceable rubber feet to the bottom of the battery to help dampen any drops or constant dragging on the ground.

  • benfenech

    Thanks Eduardo for the detailed review! Def a promising kit at a very keen price. Couple of questions…

    Is the flash tube user-replaceable? If not, would this be a problem from your experience?

    I contacted Foto Konijnenberg and they confirmed that the kit they stock doesn’t come with the transmitter and receiver or even a sync cable. What’s the experience of people who own this kit?

    Looks like the kit will be out of stock at Foto Konijnenberg until mid-December. I wonder if this is due to a high demand or because Jinbei are revising the design…

    • Eduardo Frances

      You are welcome!The flash tube is user replaceable :)

  • markdphoto2000

    A very interesting piece of equipment that I have been hoping to see here in the US. So far there are no local distributors and the shipping from China is $125.

  • Quicksilver

    Hi Eduardo!
    Sorry for my question but the Jinbei Website did not state this clearly so please could you measure at your flash?

    You wrote the following:
    Power output distribution: Symmetrical: 300 and 300 Watt seconds
    Asymmetrical: 400 and 200 Watt seconds
    1 head in socket A: 400Ws, if you press A+B button 600Ws
    1 head in socket B: 200Ws

    After reading the Jinbei website I think its like…

    A+B button NOT pressed
    1 head in socket A: 400Ws
    1 head in socket B: 200Ws

    A+B button pressed
    1 head in socket A: 600Ws

    That is, what everybody else until your review write on their reviews.

    So you are saying, that if you press the A+B button and instead of using socket A only with 600Ws you could get symetrical 300Ws when using both ports? Did you test that with your light meter or was it writen in the manual?

    Hope that they build an adapter for heavy octa boxes, since I want to use my DC-1200 with 1.5m boxes. :-(

    Thanks a lot for your help and keep up the great work!

    • http://www.hkphoto.com Ken Tam

      I try and now use their k-150 octa without any problem… and the head is cheap even it broke ;)

  • http://www.sewellshouse.co.uk Michael A. Sewell

    lencarta do not supply the Discovery as stated in the review. It’s a modded version.
    Unusual for this Lighting Rumours to make mistakes.

    • Trail

      Or so we are told by them and their representatives.

      Of course, if Lencarta really want the 60 million Brits to believe that their uber-wonderful super modded version of the jinbei discovery (that costs about 50% more expensive) is really so so so much better than the version that is appears acceptable to the rest of the 7 billion worlds population, then let them.

      After all, us rollin’ in it Brits need it sprinkled with ‘Lencarta fairy dust’ like!

      Of course, they could always offer two versions at two different price levels without the trinkets, and let the normal people decide with their wallets.

      • http://www.sewellshouse.co.uk Michael A. Sewell

        Or David Selby could take up their offer to see the difference first hand, as offered by Lencarta

  • faceone

    check out this vid,

    DC-1200
    max power won’t reduce even after ‘off’ A+B

    • Eduardo Frances

      We can’t comment on this video because we haven’t tested that particular version.

      What I can tell you is that I have seen Elinchrom, Profoto, Bowens, etc. with a problem on arrival (not common though), if we base our opinion on one video every manufacturer would be effed up…

  • http://www.krop.com/eugeni Eugeni

    I’m waiting for the arrival of the Ring Flash version 1200w Jinbei and I hope that I will perform the tests are satisfactory.

    Best Regards

  • http://www.woutervanderlinde.com Wouter van der Linde

    Hey guys,

    I’m totally new to these kind of flash systems ( have been use strobist gear for over 3 years now).

    Can someone explain me why i can’t use modifiers bigger then 1.50 meters?
    And what kind of modifiers can this system take then?

    Wouter

    • CotswoldPhoto

      Because the weight at the front of the unit would likely break the plastic body or the front mount system. This is why expensive systems use good, solid metals instead. But the market for this device needs it to be light, small and portable – a compromise has to be made.

  • vincent

    So in the end, is the Lencarta stuff just a mere rebadged Jinbei or is there really an added value for it ? I’m confused …
    What’s the advantage of the Lencarta with FACTS ? What I am paying for compared to Jinbei ?
    Thoughts ?

  • http://www.funkografik.com funkografik

    Hello there mates. It would of great help if you could let me know how long you need to charge the battery the first time you unbox this baby ?
    There is no mention of the approximate time for charging on the instruction book. I was quite shocked by that. :s

  • jeff

    Hello,
    nobody speak about the autonomy of the dc-600 or dc-1200.. how many flash can you fire @1/1 ?

    • http://www.eduardofrances.com Eduardo Frances

      I have used the DC600 for more than 150 shots at full power and the battery show no signs of being depleted (the charge indicator was in full). At minimum power this thing lasts forever.

      The review was done with my experience with it while working so I haven’t done a test to see how many pops would it take to empty the battery charge, however there are spare batteries being sold at around 100 euros.

      • jeff

        thx for the information

      • jeff

        “spare batteries being sold at around 100 euros”.. can’t find this anywhere for 100 euros !

        For you, what is the biggest octabox i could mount on this ?

  • Manfred

    quote” Something to consider is that in the B socket at the lowest power setting the white balance starts at around 4700k but without colour casts (no purple, magenta or blue casts, color is neutral).”

    Hi there, i dun get this part. Are u saying if there is a head connect to the B socket (with or without the head in socket A) at the min power the B-head will have WB of 4700k? What happens if there is a head in the A socket? How will it behave? If that is the case then it will be a huge problem … more if u have 2 sets of DC working together….

    • http://www.eduardofrances.com Eduardo Frances

      I did a quick test (QPcard and lightroom) and the color balance between both heads is similar so there’s no issue of weird color differences when using the heads at the same time.

  • Manfred

    Thx Ed, however i am planning to get the DC1200 coz i need at least one more set to go along with my DC600. I sure hope they dun have color shifts…
    btw a very stupid question…if u could help i would very much appreciated. Can i use a 600WS flash from say Elinchrom and chg the flashtube in DC600? It seems they are both 600WS so sh be interchangeable right?

    • http://www.eduardofrances.com Eduardo Frances

      You are welcome Manfred!.

      Different manufacturers use different flashtubes and different tolerances for voltage, different connections, etc. Thus I don’t recommend at all mixing and matching different brands of flashtubes with your gear, use the ones made specifically for your brand and model :)

  • http://www.MartinGrobar.cz grobe

    Full power A+B at 1 meter distance and your flashmeter showed you f/32.2?
    It means that the GN is only 32? are you sure? Its weaker than a system flash:)

    • http://www.eduardofrances.com Eduardo Frances

      Add 1 stop with the umbrella reflector (it’s there in a note above the metering). Keep in mind most hot shoe strobes have that kind of Guide Number (GN) by zooming in the head to 105mm (narrow beam of light) and they often beef up a bit the number too (sometimes using ISO 200 as the base to calculate the number). In this case the beam of light isn’t narrow at all.

      In practice I have to turn down the power when shooting outdoors with a beauty dish (BD) and a model as an example because I can easily over power the sun (by a whole lot) with this kit and not needing full power, with a speedlight I have to either put the BD really close or crank the power output and have slow recycle times.

      Comparing power output between hot shoe strobes and studio/location flash gear is tricky, specially with GN they often don’t have the same diameter of coverage (zoomed hot shoe head vs standard reflector or barebulb reading)and like I wrote above sometimes GN are calculated using different ISO ratings.

      Even with studio lighting gear is tricky because if you use the reflectors provided by each manufacturer they are different too, and there’s also the thing if the flash tube has some kind of built in reflector or if it is pure barebulb (compare the way flash tubes in Bowens monolights are placed vs the one in the DC600 or with other brands).

      This is why I prefer to do barebulb meterings (and with reflector included by the manufacturer too) and that’s also why I stay away from comparing one system/brand with the rest: too many variables to make an accurate apples to apples comparison.

      :)

  • adi marwan

    i think i’m gonna take the plunge and buy the DC-600..just some questions though..

    1) what is the length of the cable (connecting the head to power pack)?
    2) is it recommended to buy 2 heads kit or 1 head kit is sufficient?
    3) what’s the largest modifiers have u tried on?or, the max weight the head can handle?

  • Alexey

    I have DC-1200. If i press button A+B – power does not change.
    I confirm that the video (I have the same problem) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm5eLXqI51s

    • jeff

      i assume A+B is working only with 2 heads connected

  • http://saidboudhane.free.fr Mordu

    Hey guys,

    Thanks for your review… Is there any chance you could have tested the flash duration

    That’s important to know if they are quick enough to freeze some jumping dancers or any other movement

  • Enrico Quaglia

    Hi, great review. Many have asked but there hasn’t been a definite answer yet : what’s the largest octabank I can mount ? Will it take a 120cm ? Cheers.

    • http://www.sewellshouse.co.uk Michael Sewell

      The heads will easily manage a 120cm Octa. That’s my main workhorse. I’ve also used a 150cm folding Octa on one of my wedding brochure shoots for the Marriott (The Preston one I think).
      You do have to be more careful with the larger sizes, but common sense should help here :)

  • Adi

    “Here are some samples, The DC-600 could do easily f/18 or a bit more with an 1.5 meters -5 footer- octa (threaded to the stand read because of the weight limit of the discovery head)”

    may i know what do you mean by threaded to the stand? and if possible, can you show me some pictures of it? sorry to bother you so much, but i would love to know on how to minimize weight stress on the head..

    are there any reference pictures?

  • Adi

    Hi everyone, i have just bought a portable outdoor strobe, the Jinbei Discovery DC-600..

    just wondering, when charging the discovery, is there any charging indicator? in the manual it stated that during charging, the LED display will twinkle, but on my discovery, there’s no indication.

    Apart from that, when i plug in the charger to the device (plug socket switched off), there’s a spark coming out from the charging socket. Any ideas?

    i’ve uploaded a video..sorry for the weird aspect ratio, i uploaded it from my phone..have no idea how to change it.. :o

  • Brian

    Hi Eduardo,

    First off I want to say that I love the review.
    Nice job.

    I owned a RD-600 kit but unfortunately it stopped charging :(
    The good news was that it was still under warranty. Because the set was discontinued the shop wanted to swap my kit for a DC-600 kit without any extra charge.
    So that was a nice deal. The first thing I noticed was that the constuction of the lamp was just too weak. You concluded that too.
    I mainly shoot weddings and I use the kit during bright sunny days. I mount it on a monopod with a 60×90 softbox. When it’s windy it puts a lot of strain on the construction so I saw this as a big problem.

    But…… I figured out a way to fix it.
    Strobies makes a XS speedlight bracket which is pretty solid.
    I also use these for indoor shoots or outside when a single speedlight will do the job.
    I figured I could get the DC-600 head to fit this adapter.
    And after 30 minutes it fits just fine. All I had to do is saw the foot of and make that a wider gap.
    You can see the result on this link:

    https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4244444/2012-11-11%2020.33.02.jpg

    Now I can mount heavier modifiers on without any problems and still benefit of the kit.

    If you want to see the results you can find them in my portfolio at http://www.pixed.nl

    Ciao
    Brian

  • Alex

    Hello, First apologize for the translation is from google. I wanted to ask a question because I am interested in buying the prodcuto and nobody knows the answer:

    What would you buy if its use will be primarily for the 600ws or 1200ws exterior?
    The idea is to later buy a second flash head and use the two together.
    Do not know if I will have enough to 600Ws or 1200Ws with’ll have in excess of power.

    Thank you.

  • kentyu

    Will it trigger if I plug in those small optical detector via the sync cable?

  • jon

    Hello. Can I use a DC-600 head on the 1200 battery pack?
    Thanks

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